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Princess Marie Luise Charlotte of Hesse-Kassel

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Fails WP:GNG. enwiki contributor 07:01, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Royalty and nobility, and Germany. enwiki contributor 07:01, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
Comment: the first nomination from September 2014 ended in deletion, but about a month later, a new iteration was created in draftspace, and following an MfD the previous article was history merged into the draft. It then was moved back to mainspace in April 2015, had a G4 declined with a nudge to consider a new AfD instead… but only now, over 11 years later, are we back here. (Note that the current nominator also started the MfD and placed the G4 tag, but was not the nominator of the first AfD.) No opinion on any of this. enwiki contributor 19:19, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
Keep. In the 20th and 21st centuries, royalty get notability for the charities they patronize and the scandals they find themselves facing. Before the Great War, royalty actually ran countries: they were the government. Even consorts ran things behind the scenes. The subject is notable because of the power she had. enwiki contributor 04:12, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, enwiki contributor 17:41, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

Keep per Bearian. The previous AfD was hardly a ringing consensus to delete. -- enwiki contributor 10:17, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
Merge to Prince William of Hesse-Kassel her father (as that makes more sense for people tracing ancestries). The only info in the article is genealogical data and the only source is a biographical dictionary. A review of sources in other language wikis reveals various listing in genealogy databases but not additional biographical coverage that I could find. She was neither the daughter nor husband of a sovereign monarch. IMO, there is no indication that she had a role that would implicate the spirit of NPOL as a state leader. enwiki contributor 18:56, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, enwiki contributor 01:30, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The subject was the daughter of a non-reigning prince of a minor German house in the 19th century. As enwiki contributor correctly notes, she fails WP:NHERR (neither daughter nor consort of a sovereign) and does not meet the general notability guideline. Genealogical listings and a single biographical dictionary entry do not constitute the significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources required by WP:GNG. The 2014 AfD correctly deleted the article; the subsequent draft and move to mainspace did not add sourcing that would change that outcome. Per WP:NPOL and WP:NOTGENEALOGY, this does not merit a standalone article. SimEditor08 (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete. Per nom and SimEditor08; fails GNG/NPOL. SimEditor01 (talk) 11:55, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The three best sources shown in this discussion are (1) the single biographical dictionary entry and (2–3) assorted genealogy database listings. The biographical dictionary is independent and reliable but constitutes only one secondary source; a single entry, however detailed, cannot be multiplied by cross-referencing the same facts elsewhere. The genealogy databases are not independent (they compile user-submitted or inherited royal-house data without fresh editorial analysis), are not secondary (they are primary lists of names, dates and parentage), and lack significant coverage (no paragraph of biographical narrative can be written from them alone). Under TL:N, which requires at least three distinct independent, reliable, secondary sources each providing significant, lasting coverage, the subject fails. Arguments based on NHERR, NPOL or pre-Great War royal “power” are invalid here; no subject-specific shortcut applies and no verified sources demonstrating in-depth independent coverage have been provided. Per TL:N and TL:BLP, a standalone article is not merited. Trim 12:40, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The three best sources shown are (1) the biographical dictionary entry, (2–3) genealogy database listings. (1) is independent+reliable+secondary but one source cannot be triple-counted; (2–3) fail independence, secondary function and significant coverage. No verified sources meet all four TL:N axes. Taz 12:51, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The three best sources shown are (1) biographical dictionary entry (independent+reliable+secondary but only one source), (2–3) genealogy database listings (fail independence, secondary function and significant coverage). No verified sources meet all four TL:N axes. Trim Larry 08:21, 2 October 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The three best sources shown are (1) biographical dictionary entry (independent+reliable+secondary but only one source), (2–3) genealogy database listings (fail independence, secondary function and significant coverage). No verified sources meet all four TL:N axes. Larry 02:51, 3 October 2026 (UTC)