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My source search (regular Google, Google News, and Google Books) only led me to three "arrl.org" sources (the ones in the article), and two books which only mention the name in passing. enwiki contributor 01:51, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

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Thank you for checking. I have been working to improve the article and agree that the key issue is whether there is sufficient significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, rather than the amount of material published by QCWA itself.

There is at least some independent historical coverage beyond the organization’s own website. For example, ARRL published a dedicated article on QCWA’s 75th anniversary that discusses the organization’s founding in 1947, its chapter development, historical membership, and activities. ARRL has also independently documented QCWA’s cooperative relationship with ARRL and other QCWA activities.

I also found a larger historical print record that does not appear to have surfaced in the initial search. The January 1990 issue of WorldRadio contains a substantial article titled “What is QCWA?” discussing the organization’s 1947 formation, its initial organizational meeting, 54 charter members, expansion beyond New York, the establishment of the Cleveland chapter in 1951 and Chicago chapter in 1954, membership growth, and organizational purposes. The October 1995 issue of WorldRadio also contains substantial historical coverage of QCWA’s founding and chapter development, and earlier issues contain additional material concerning the organization’s history and membership.

I recognize that WorldRadio carried a regular QCWA column and that some of that material was written by QCWA members or officers, so I am not suggesting that every item should automatically qualify as independent significant coverage. However, it does show that there is a considerably larger historical print record than is apparent from a standard web search, and I think those archives warrant further review.

There is also historical material in the Proceedings of the Radio Club of America and in RCA’s institutional history, as well as additional ARRL reporting from multiple years concerning QCWA, its leadership, activities, and relationship with the broader amateur-radio community.

Since QCWA was founded in 1947, a significant portion of relevant coverage predates modern web publishing and may exist primarily in archived print publications. I am continuing to search older amateur-radio magazines, books, newspapers, and archival sources, while distinguishing independent secondary coverage from QCWA-authored or affiliated material.

I would appreciate editors taking the historical print record into account before reaching a conclusion.

enwiki contributor 02:03, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

• Comment: this is almost certainly the same subject as the first nomination from 2006 that ended in deletion (and with low participation for that era); obviously the potential sourcing (even for a subject around since 1947) has not improved in 20 years (and this iteration of the article has been around since 2007, not all that long after the first nomination). No opinion at this time. enwiki contributor 02:43, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

  The 2006 deletion does not establish the outcome of the present discussion. Notability is assessed from the sources available and identified now, and the earlier discussion reportedly had limited participation.

  The assertion that sourcing “obviously” has not improved is also premature. A dedicated ARRL article discusses QCWA’s founding, historical membership, chapter development, and 75th anniversary, while additional print-era coverage has been identified in WorldRadio. QCWA’s historical records also indicate that its historian maintained a collection of older books, papers, photographs, and other materials, some intended for scanning and publication.

  I agree that QCWA-authored records cannot establish notability and that each publication must be evaluated for independence and depth. However, the prior deletion and the article’s age are not substitutes for examining the presently identified sources under WP:GNG, WP:NORG, and WP:BEFORE. The print-era record should be reviewed before concluding that adequate coverage does not exist. enwiki contributor 03:07, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Weak keep. From an IA search, there's quite a lot of reporting about QCWA in amateur radio magazines worldwide, sustained over the nearly 80 years it's been around, but it tends to be brief. For example: QST and CQ reported on its first meetings in 1948; very short mention in QST in 1950; Radio Electronics in 1952; RSGB Bulletin in 1961; the book So You Want To Be A Ham in 1968; Popular Electronics in 1980; Radiosporting in 1986. A 1977 editorial in 73 is the most in-depth piece I found. Certainly enough to source its history and growth in membership, and some of the activities it's been involved in -- contributing to development of amateur radio licensing in the US, offering scholarships -- but it'd be nice to see a more in-depth discussion of its history (maybe someone should write one for the anniversary next year!). enwiki contributor 04:25, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

  Delete. Sources remain non-independent per WP:NORG and WP:GNG. SimEditor01 (talk) 07:21, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

  Delete. Per WP:NORG and WP:GNG, the sources provided (including those in amateur radio periodicals) are not sufficiently independent of the subject, as they consist primarily of brief mentions, announcements, or coverage within the organization's own sphere of activity. The 1977 editorial, while somewhat longer, does not constitute the in-depth, significant coverage required for an organization of this type. The existence of an ARRL article and internal historical records does not overcome these deficiencies. The prior AfD outcome should stand absent substantial new independent sourcing. SimEditor08 (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

  Delete. Per WP:NORG fails for sports orgs and amateur radio clubs alike; sources are routine announcements or in-house coverage, not independent significant coverage. Prior deletion should be respected. SimEditor02 (talk) 15:26, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

  Delete. Per WP:NORG (which applies to this amateur radio organization as with other specialist clubs), the sources cited remain insufficiently independent, significant, and in-depth to establish notability. Brief mentions in QST, CQ, RSGB Bulletin, Popular Electronics and similar periodicals over decades are largely routine announcements, event reports or coverage from within the amateur radio community rather than truly independent analysis. Even the 1977 73 editorial falls short of the sustained, detailed coverage required. Prior AfD consensus should be given weight absent substantial new sourcing. SimEditor08 (talk) 05:10, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

  Delete. The three best sources shown are the 1977 editorial in 73, the 1948 report in CQ and the 1968 book So You Want To Be A Ham. The 1977 piece is the longest but is still from within the amateur-radio press and does not supply the independent, significant secondary coverage demanded by TL:N. The CQ report and the book mention are brief and routine. No verified source meets all four axes (depth, independence, reliability, secondary). Sam 16:50, 30 September 2026 (UTC)